Andrew Dominic, director of the new film That’s what I really knowtalk to me NME About how the film depicts how far Nick Cave has gone on his journey to heal grief.
That’s what I really knowComing in cinemas for one night only tomorrow (Wednesday, May 11), is a performance-meets-documentary about the creative relationship between Cave, fellow Bad Seeds and longtime collaborator Warren Ellis, and looks into the creation of their latest film. The albums “Ghosteen” and “Carnage”.
Dominic – Best known for writing and directing films including Chopper, the assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford, he killed them softly The upcoming biography of Marilyn Monroe Blonde – explain to NME How he first met Kevin in 1986.
“It was with drug dealers when I was just an innocent little pupil in school,” he said. “I went into the living room and there was the Prince of Darkness, sitting on the sofa watching an earthworm documentary. I started going out with his girlfriend three months later and that’s how I got to know him. He was my girlfriend’s ex-boyfriend so I didn’t want to love him—but God was good.”
His ex-girlfriend was the titular Diana from the classic 1988 single Bad Seeds. Dominik and Cave became friends by talking on the phone before working together later, before Deanna introduced him to Ellis backstage in the ’90s at a Dirty Three party. After Kev and Ellis wrote the score for Jesse James assassination In 2007, Dominic was later asked to direct a 2016 documentary One more time with feeling – Cave and his wife Susie are filmed dealing with the loss of their teenage son Arthur while the Bad Seeds were completing their 16th studio album Skeleton Tree.
Dominic talk to NME Before news broke this week of the death of another baby caveman, Jethro Lazenby (whom he shared with Beau Lazenby), but he made it clear One more time with feeling Show how Cave and his wife, Susie, cope with their early-stage loss.
“This movie was a practical response to a practical problem,” Dominic said. “One day he went to a newsagent and saw a copy of Mojo and felt physically ill, because he realized that at some point he had to promote the record he was working on. How would he have done that without talking about Arthur? How could he talk about Arthur with a whole group of journalists? ? I understood what he meant, so his idea was to make a movie.”
He continued, “At first, he just wanted to make an acting movie, but he knew it had to be a title at some point for context – but how do you do that without looking like exploitation? How do you do that without being ugly? We didn’t think that what was Nick doing it was brave. It just needed a treat because there was no escape.”
Moving on from this part of their lives, Dominic explained how personal reflections from intimate scenes with Cave in That’s what I really know It showed “what Nick has learned over the past six years that he has to pass it on to us.”
“Nick survived and thrived,” Dominic said. “He is determined to kill Arthur’s death in the most beneficial way possible, and to be there for others. Nick of One more time with feeling I can’t believe that Nick is from That’s what I really know It was possible. In this regard, this film is useful to you. ”
Dominic added:again with philing tries to be positive and fails. This movie is really positive and shows that Nick has learned something and has something to pass on; As someone struck by lightning. What Nick says is very simple. You see him groping in all kinds of directions in One more time with feeling, but it’s not a million different paths – it’s one. This is what we show in the movie.
“When something like this happens to you, there is no response but complete believability. People respond with authenticity. Suddenly you are in this together and it makes you love your fellow man. It will happen to all of us.”
One of the focal points of the new movie is how Cave handles questions on his Q&A site, red hand files which saw him share tips and personal stories on a range of matters from grief and loss to mental health and body positivity, to whether or not he met Nicolas Cage.
“I moved in with Nick at one point and he was writing ‘Ghosteen’ at the time, but what he was really interested in was The Red Hand Files,” Dominic said. “I was able to see him make a batch of them.
“He reads every question in The Red Hand Files, and then chooses which one he talks to the most. In general, if a person’s damn life falls apart or if they’re dealing with something really difficult, Nick has to answer that question really responsibly because the person deserves it.”
“Over the course of the week, I’ve been watching him revise his answer. What I realized is that Nick was using The Red Hand Files to help his mind heal. To be accountable to others, he must be accountable to himself. The Red Hand Files were really an act of self-love. I knew That I had to get that in the movie and process that.”
The director also explained how the idea for the movie came about as Cave and Ellis were initially “trying to figure out what to do in the event of a pandemic” when they were unable to tour, but soon found the focus on their friendship and collaborative relationship.
“They were supposed to go on tour for a year with a big band and 12 backup vocalists to pull songs off of Ghosteen,” Dominic said. Then COVID happened and they had to think of things to do. I think Nick was home, bored, and thinking, “Let’s get together and have a play date.”
“They just did Carnage, just two weeks before I went there and shot her. That and his relationship with Warren was exactly what was going on at the moment.”
When asked why Cave and Ellis had such a good creative match, Dominik replied, “They adore each other; they are family. It’s a two-way street. They are both wonderful men, and knowing them means loving them.”
“Nick is one of the greatest songwriters in the world. If you’re going to be someone’s assistant, Warren usurped that position to put his name on the poster and movie, but there’s no one better than Nick how to do it. All Warren says about Nick is that there’s lightning following him.” Together, Nick and Warren have created a third thing that they both find incredibly valuable and fun.
“They make it seem easy, and it may be to them, but it cannot be to everyone. What is amazing about them is the courage they have so creatively to put themselves in positions of utter vulnerability – not knowing whether what they are doing is beneficial or not. No. That’s very brave.”
The last highlight of the film comes when the duo invites Marianne Faithfull to their performers to read a poem, which Ellis then reverses and turns into a sample for a supporting track on ‘Ghosteen’s Galleon Ship’.
“In the movie, Marianne is clearly closer to the end than we are — but seeing the spirit in which she lives her life in all its daring glory is really touching,” Dominic said. It’s not easy to read a 19th century poem and make every word glow. We were lucky to have Marianne Faithfull.”
He added, “It sounds like the sound of eternity. That constant thing whispers into you. That song is about heroism in love. When you know what you can lose, loving someone really is heroic. Nick realized you can lose everything.”
That’s what I really know Shows in cinemas for one night only on Wednesday, May 11th. Tickets and viewing information are available here. Read the NME Movie review here.
Bad Seeds is currently set up for a long series of tour dates throughout the summer.
Faith, Hope and Carnagenew book from Nick Cave and Seán O’Hagan, to follow Sept. 20.